This is part two of our time with Chad discussing fundamentalism and Chad being an atheist. Fundamentalism is something that frustrates us both and is not solely limited to religion. You can be a fundamentalist about anything.
Fundamentalist:
relating to or advocating strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline
Maybe this isn’t so much an episode about atheism as it is a hope that we could end extremism. Although we discuss and sometimes debate the difference between creationism and Darwinism, we find ourselves very near one another in the understanding of these things.
In an information age, when we have abundant access to information we often can find it easier with this information to become fundamentalists. Not to mention Star Wars Nerds!
It's amazing how in the end we understand each other and begin seeing closer to eye to eye on our humanity and understanding.
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Happy Holidays Losers!!!!
Welcome to this year's Christmas Hanukkah Kwanzaa Krampusnacht Krampus Nothingness Every Holiday Special!
Jen and I sit down to discuss our holidays past, present, and future. We know that the holiday season isn't great for everyone, and typically it's been difficult for us as well. But we try to make it fun with Holiday Movie Music fun and games. As well as we continue our tradition of doing Holiday Lottery Scratchers in honor of Jen's late mom.
Hope you enjoy this episode and have as much fun or more as we did.
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We have had other atheist on the show before, but none like Chad. Chad would be the equivalent of me as a believer, except he’s atheist-agnostic. What I mean by equivalent is that he has spent time researching what he owns. He holds it as truth. After the recording; Chad and I had, even more, discussion. He asked me why I still believe despite the failure of the church and scientific proof. My only answer..."It's the only thing that gives me hope, that one day, our world could be unified, in love with one another, and different."
Every time Chad and I see each other we chat and chat and chat about stuff. He’s a smart man, well read, and has an amazing knack to remember all he’s learned and be able to talk about it. I'm grateful for this time with Chad and looking forward to even more.
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"Sometimes the answer to prayer is us." - Billy Power
This episode is a battle of the sexy voices. Never before have we recorded an episode in the morning, but since Billy is in New York, we had to record early. 6:30 am my time, 9:30 am his time.
We chat about organizational religion and corporate culture. His upbringing, his military experience, some great life lessons, and his music career.
Billy was a part of running Tooth & Nail Records for about ten years. He and I agree the existing institutional church model in America isn't working. But what's the alternative? He attends Hillsong NYC at the request of his wife and has some decent things to say about it.
When he took a trip to Kenya, it changed his life. Getting out of our comfort zones and embracing life outside of ourselves will often do that.
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“We’re so rarely pulled out of the church - it’s all of us who leave and have such specific informed convictions. Church is like a pressure cooker - you either end up buried under the weight of it to the point that you never get out, or the pressure builds up so much that you just get shot out the other side - right into some other form of thinking.”
- Dash López
“I am NEVER, as much as I can control, going to allow any outcome of my life to be determined by fear ever again.”
- Dash López
This is a fascinating episode. No guest has shared more deeply and transparently what the mega-church experience was like at Mars Hill and the Acts 29 Church Network than Dash. Not only was he a valued staff member there, he learned to play the game. His experience with Redemption Group therapy seeking to make him straight left him just as he is, gay, except with religious scars.
I once had a very healing experience with Redemption Group, which just goes to show us that systems and processes are not one size fit all.
Dash is a self-proclaimed ultimate Queer-do, satanic occultist, and is a great conversationalist and gives great hugs. We have so much fun together in this episode laughing and learning about one another.
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Lynn Morrow is a rad chick! Our inside joke was that, "I went into the bar looking for a blonde but ended up with a brunette.” LOL. You'll have to listen to know why that's funny. She's a former "pastor/church director" who has come out as a lesbian, and outside of that has now found freedom in wiping the whiteboard clean. Tune in to hear her story and find out what all of this means.
Lynn was born on the mission field. Educated in Bible College and seminary. Former Pastor....errr I mean "Director" (as it wasn't ok to call her, a female, a pastor during her time on church staff).
Though gratefully owning her sexuality as an important part of who she is, Lynn also views it as simply one of the many pieces of her identity. She is a strategist in mind, an athlete in body, and a seeker in spirit. Lynn is a lover of life who desires to bridge the gap between the LGBTQ and church communities through dialogue, discernment, and leaning into authenticity over comfort.
Lynn is currently serving as a professional executive coach, specializes in collaborating with higher education students to live their purpose. Drawing upon her background and love for athletic coaching, she believes in the dynamic combination of curiosity, action, grit, and inspiration to deepen one’s growth and fulfill one’s dreams.
Bottom line...I am a fan of Lynn. It may have been the alcohol talking, it felt like we'd been friends forever, I’m hoping we will be! She’s just that awesome.
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Laird is a trans-man. I didn't even know going into the recording! We were introduced to each other by our sneaky mutual friend Cameron, met in one of the bars at my hotel, hugged at first sight, and the rest was easy.
Laird is a well spoken loving man. We chat about his past as a married woman, a Catholic, his transition, how to love all people, and how to give great hugs! Of course, there are many amazing things we discuss in between, but this is a podcast to listen to not a blog to read.
This episode is a challenge to all who listen to love each other well. To love those outside our comfort zones, and how to do that.
"If you love human beings, then treat everyone as a friend that you haven't met yet." - Laird Young, Transman, and Advocate
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Christian is one of those guys that I wish I wouldn't have written off back in my Mega-Dick Ministry days. I've heard his name from time to time over the years, no doubt because he has written almost ten books. The titles and content of which I am now in love with, but they probably would have threatened all the religious insecurities I had back then. Which would have lead me to ignore the much-needed voice he has.
We spend some time in this episode discussing how the human brain works and how it infects religion in dangerous ways. With all the many wonderful things we chat about, I feel like we kept knocking on the door of Security Addiction. How our addiction to certainty being a crux to dependence on things like religion.
I also finally learn the difference between a Heretic and an Apostate! Haha! Which it sounds like I am more of a heretic these days than I thought. We need heretics! But as we say..."FUCK LABELS!"
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Steve was present for the last sermon I ever preached at my former Mega-Machine. In fact, that's when we first met. I knew almost immediately that he was much different from any other pro athlete/celebrity I had ever met.
In Seattle, Futbol (Soccer) sells out stadiums. The MLS team, The Sounders, actual win. The team is owned by comedian, and The Price is Right host, Drew Carey. So Steve is a celebrity in the city and the Futbol world. He is well loved, and well respected by both colleagues and fans.
What drew me to Steve was his graciousness, humility, and desire for continual learning and growth. Even though our public chats are often interrupted by fans, we always dig deeper than surface level in our conversations.
As a young man, Steve was mentored by Myles Munroe. A speaker from the Mega-Machine I had listened to several times. In fact, Myles was one of the few Mega-Ministers I ever felt at ease hearing speak. His focus on Jesus and the Kingdom of God, instead of prosperity gospel and tithe taking was always refreshing. Myles tragically died last November in an airplane crash.
The most impressive thing I have seen in Steve's life lately has been how he has handled the adversities of losing his career to injury, losing his mentor to an airplane crash, and losing his close friend to a motorcycle accident all in the last two years.
As he starts his new career, plans his wedding, mourns the loss of dear friends, and sits with me over drinks. He remains the same Steve I once met four years ago. Humble, full of hope, and inquisitive and questioning as ever.
As a Futbol or Soccer Celebrity and Pro-Athlete, Steve has a unique perspective of institutional religion in America. We talk about it, along with describing how dropping our beliefs made it possible for us to love those that are different from us.
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This may very well be the most transparent and meaningful episode we've recorded yet. (At least in regards to my own experience of losing my religion.)
A journey into the depths of my own past hurts, current fears, and repressed anger that I am still endeavoring to be free from. Owning my own shit and slowly learning how to cast off the net of religion. By which I grow continually free of anger I've held against the ones that introduced me to the religion.
Growing to love all people equally is not a task as a human I may ever reach. Certainly not one I can reach alone.
Seth, a self-proclaimed Christian Mystic shows me a path. But it's not a new one. I've been shown it before. Many times before. But I am finally getting to a point of suffering to take the deeper journey onto this path.
This episode you have the opportunity to be a fly on the wall to some of my own revelations and desires. Imagine you're the fly over looking our conversation from my therapists bookcase. But instead of crying, we're are drinking!
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